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(2)Hillfire
Map ID: #2760
Author: JustGuess
Map Size: 96*128
Tileset: Jungle
Last Updated: 2008, 01, 28 21:13
Comments (44)
FateD
damn whoever made this, he just took out any chances i had to get a motw lol XD
great map :P
uC.MorroW
the temple choke should be wider
very nice map
Alter.Ego
oooh.. sexy.
some notes:
a bit of space behind the nat minerals would be nice.
what's the point of that ramp on the minonly mineral line?
ptar
You didn't guess who the author is :)
FateD
lol idk who it is, but i doupt its u since u said that :P lol
Excalibur
Holy shit. @_@
ptar
Lol Fated :D
cWn)iQ.Superi0r
all i can say is sexy, sexy and sexy again
Nightmarjoo
Bad mains
flothefreak
there could be some pathing problems with that neutral temple. the main/nat-hill setup looks interesting and i think it can make for very aggressive games, but you'll need to test if it works out. this natural hill seems to be a very strong keypoint, though. but i think you intended that, regarding the mapname ;d
also, you can improve center hill ruin deco.
justguess
thx all!
are there any things i can improve?
LGI
Without playing it the only thing i see that you can change is to delete the center expo. You just don't need them... 4 expos + 1 (their main) is enough for a 2 players map. Just check out some of the pro maps.
(2)New Peaks of Baekdu, (2)Blus Storm, (2)Blitz X (+1 air expand for who getz it first:) ), (2)Ride of Valkiryes (+1 for who ever getz it) and so on...
justguess
okay i will delete them if you say so, because i love you and you're such a great mapper. your word in mapping judgement is like an order to me =)
oh, and start mapping again, LGI!
oh noes, i revealed myself! :O modified by justguess
LGI
Your design also reveal you ;)
Anyway, looks one of your best maps :) . modified by LGI
uC.MorroW
"the temple choke should be wider"
ye i agree, watch gmc :>
flothefreak
why should it be wider? standard ramp size
Moebius
This is the sexiest map I've seen since Silver Flush!
Alter.Ego
can the mysterious author explain the point of having a second ramp on the mineral line of the hill? Minerals block it for awhile, but later it opens up to... nowhere, as the hole in the wall to the fourth expo is not passable even by the smallest units.
Is it for hm, harassment or something? Like, you drop your units bellow the ramp, climb up, shoot some workers and get back in the shuttle/dropship or whatever?
It's just something that bothers me a lot :)
flothefreak
i think that is the intention. this spot is a dropzone obviously, which leads behind two expansions at once, but it becomes a normal backdoor to the outer expo when the hillminonly is mined (which will mostly be of use i guess when your zerg enemy took it or such).
NastyMarine
Arden
FateD
hmm, looking closer to it a lil, u have 2 stacked doodads (1 destroyed by a smaller 1) at 10 min only.. :O
and u also have 2 peices of what seem to be a cliff at the lil path top middle that happend to be unwalkable and totally in the way :P :D
also, the bottom left (droppable ramp) they have been debating has a gap in the wall the makes it closed, and zlings can pass in that gap, so prolly rines too :o
<3 the map still lol modified by FateD
Nightmarjoo
testbug -.-
trcc
It's me !!! :D
dont listen to me.
Crackling need to pimp this image.
PsychoTemplar
I was going to make a gif of an image of this map without editting, and your image... and then I saw that the map on your melee download is missing about 60 or so doodads, including a bridge from the top right... what the fuck. Please upload latest version of your map ;P
People who edit pictures are fucking gay. modified by PsychoTemplar
Testbug
i'm sure its Radix?? :)
Testbug
is it trcc??????
(doesn't look like a trcc's map, but last trcc's 64x128 dessert map doesn't look like a trcc's map)
Testbug
lol
"When armies clash, hills are set on fire...
map by flothefreak"
Testbug
shittt fucking High Drit doodad #7 INSIDE orange MAIN :S
also, at 9 minonly, read what FateD sayd.
and at 12, pick up a zergling and you'll find some unwalkable tiles :(
i find the 9 and 3 protoss temples usless, and also the ramp at the highground minonlies.
Testbug
666 ???????????
Lancet
Great map flo, welcome back!
NastyMarine
it looks like a radixxx/arden map.
LGI
It looks more to inept map.
flothefreak
hehe
it is my map of course. i just wanted to see if my maps get a well-known-author-bonus and how they're judged when someone else's name is on top.
fated: doodad and unwalkable tile + zergling hole fixed
testbug: the doodads in mains are on purpose, it didnt want that uh-very-clean-mainbase-stuff again. it feels much more natural with those.
666minerals, because it's not supposed to be a long lasting turtle expansion.
the ramp will stay, it may be of some worth in a few games. if not, it doesnt disturb anything (and you can still drop the minonly more easily because you're closer to the minline). dunno about the temples. i think they're okay to make the bridges the 1st option.
ptar
Don't wanna change the author name ?
flothefreak
some time, maybe.
RaDiX
lol thanks, I hope it was me :D
ProTosS4EveR
flo is cheating! I made this map!
Crackling
no it was me, i wanted to confuse everyone with a crappy pic :O
Testbug
RaDix welcome back, i guess you are not 12 years old anymore, and yes. i though ths was radix's
Nightmarjoo
I played vs Crackling on this map, I really don't like it. I played badly/played the map wrong, but I'm still fairly certain about a couple bad things The expos feel turtly, I don't like how easy it is for p to get a 3rd base, you get way too many minerals really fast, there's no flank room after 12 minutes, seems really hard for z to get a gas outside of the nat. The mains are bad. The center expos are too close imo.
The backdoor min only thing is really annoying in general.
MorroW
MAINS;; in corners of mains make it more high dirt there and remove all unbuildable doodads
PVZ;; will be imbalanced (as far as i know), the way that p can take a third base that easy. like Nightmarjoo said. if i were u i would place a Xel naga temple or some other neutral building in the way.
i love this map<3
SiaBBo
Who even try to mine those center minerals?
RaDiX
I'm 14
Nightmarjoo
Oddly enough, morrow's first suggestion is good; the mains should have that corner filled in.
great map :P
very nice map
some notes:
a bit of space behind the nat minerals would be nice.
what's the point of that ramp on the minonly mineral line?
also, you can improve center hill ruin deco.
are there any things i can improve?
(2)New Peaks of Baekdu, (2)Blus Storm, (2)Blitz X (+1 air expand for who getz it first:) ), (2)Ride of Valkiryes (+1 for who ever getz it) and so on...
oh, and start mapping again, LGI!
oh noes, i revealed myself! :O
modified by justguess
Anyway, looks one of your best maps :) .
modified by LGI
ye i agree, watch gmc :>
Is it for hm, harassment or something? Like, you drop your units bellow the ramp, climb up, shoot some workers and get back in the shuttle/dropship or whatever?
It's just something that bothers me a lot :)
and u also have 2 peices of what seem to be a cliff at the lil path top middle that happend to be unwalkable and totally in the way :P :D
also, the bottom left (droppable ramp) they have been debating has a gap in the wall the makes it closed, and zlings can pass in that gap, so prolly rines too :o
<3 the map still lol
modified by FateD
dont listen to me.
Crackling need to pimp this image.
People who edit pictures are fucking gay.
modified by PsychoTemplar
(doesn't look like a trcc's map, but last trcc's 64x128 dessert map doesn't look like a trcc's map)
"When armies clash, hills are set on fire...
map by flothefreak"
also, at 9 minonly, read what FateD sayd.
and at 12, pick up a zergling and you'll find some unwalkable tiles :(
i find the 9 and 3 protoss temples usless, and also the ramp at the highground minonlies.
it is my map of course. i just wanted to see if my maps get a well-known-author-bonus and how they're judged when someone else's name is on top.
fated: doodad and unwalkable tile + zergling hole fixed
testbug: the doodads in mains are on purpose, it didnt want that uh-very-clean-mainbase-stuff again. it feels much more natural with those.
666minerals, because it's not supposed to be a long lasting turtle expansion.
the ramp will stay, it may be of some worth in a few games. if not, it doesnt disturb anything (and you can still drop the minonly more easily because you're closer to the minline). dunno about the temples. i think they're okay to make the bridges the 1st option.
The backdoor min only thing is really annoying in general.
PVZ;; will be imbalanced (as far as i know), the way that p can take a third base that easy. like Nightmarjoo said. if i were u i would place a Xel naga temple or some other neutral building in the way.
i love this map<3