actually the center is more like loki than peaks

its mixed :D

Gas issue and expo layout is annoying and unrewarding.

Type: League? And im again sure this is not LastCurse's map.

I have yet to find out which League...


Anyways, tons of pretty bad tank spots around the mains and nats.

TERRIBLE copypasta at multiple locations, generally no eye for details.

For some weird reason the middle is not symmetrical, in contrast to the rest of the map...

Several spots where zerglings can pass through but obviously shouldn't.

Weird unwalkable spot (cliff) close to the main ramps, pretty much forces the weirdest wallins ever.

Gas issue.


Geez how I hate it when people make maps that look like this on the picture but actually are rubbish execution-wise.
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Spinesdeath, it was good comment so long when you said "Gas issue." That is just stupid. Mains are ok and that is ok. You just wanted some more to say and you just write GAS ISSUE.

Well, you might not have noticed yet, but you kinda suck at reading: It's spinesheath, not spinesdeath.

About that gas issue: Sure, the mining ratio just happens to be equal. I seriously wonder if that wasn't just by coincidence, though. Anyways, it is 8-10% slower with 3 workers than top/left.Could throw off some timings and if you are not aware of it you can actually be in a disadvantage.
Ok, it probably isn't really worth mentioning among that other stuff.

Besides, I definately could have written quite some more stuff. Mostly related to bad custom terrain. I didn't even start talking about balance (and probably won't).

Why you wrote so much? I suck at reading.

And question to Lastcurse: Why u upload some map and say it is yours?

Well, the map description says it's his map. So either he REALLY steals maps or it's his.

It cannot be. Look his older maps. And he said he is not good to deco or add doodads.

I wouldn't call that "good" anyways. Besides, it really looks like a (cheap) copy of testbug style.
Testbug's custom terrain isn't perfect either, but definately better^^

Can't look at his older maps either, because there don't seem to be any (though I remeber that he uploaded at least one lately... he seems to be deleting them every now and then...).

i'll hide SiaBBo stupid comments.
remember how RaDiX and Crackling came here with unplayable maps and then learned how to copy/paste terrain?
they started making good looking maps then.

i gues you are jelous or something but look at the map? i don't mean it's unplayable but look at the expo layout.

he might have learn to copy paste terrain (easy, Ctrl+C and Crlt+V) but havne't learn how to use it properly.

SiaBBBo let's try something, make a fast 20minutes map, spamm it with doodads and copy paste lots of wide ramps and terrain.
then make a brigher pic.

i'll probably say "ohhh this is a good mapppp!! SiaBBo couldn't do thisss!! he may have stolen the map from a photoshop maniac!"

i'll hide this comment after you read it.
it'll be better if you comment the map as spinesdead did.
help LasTCursE improving his map and don't spam the mapthread with childish posts.

idk - spinesdeath fits somehow better to you ^-^

nmjoo - "Gas issue and expo layout is annoying and unrewarding." sure it's not zerg-friendly enough for ya;once again!...if baekdu was in any of this categories better.

crackling,you can compare maps,man -_-. "actually the center is more like loki than peaks" - damn,right.so what? he didn't want a version that's in evry aspect identic with baekdu! he tried to make more a remake than a version of baekdu.the basic theme of baekdu is definitely preserved.for a remake is everything u need - and it plays also very similar.it doesn't means 100% the same,which is not necessary in a remake

you are right grief, sorry

o_O league map...??!?

I'm not all that sure how you conclude that Nightmarjoo was complaining about zerg unfriendliness... I am pretty sure that terrans will complain the most about the expo layout. Which expansion should you take? It's not like any of them could even partially be secured by your push. Zerg should be off fairly good with those expansions.

Also, you know, Chief_Chicken, there is no need to get all upset on Crackling's post... It's not like he said that the name should be changed or something like that.

"I'm not all that sure how you conclude that Nightmarjoo was complaining about zerg unfriendliness" - he don't need to mention it explicit;when he commenting like this my warning bells tells me he worried about he's beloved z."expo layout is annoying and unrewarding" for who,if not for the race he mostly plays.

and crackling's comparisons are sometimes imprudent...that's all.

about the rest...{ich krieg' noch ein herzkasper ^-^}

Well, it wouldn't be a first that you make completely ungrounded assumptions.

{wär vielleicht gar nicht so schlecht...}

You want Grief's death? What kind of person are you in fact? If you allow me the question.I can't remember a weird commment from the past from Grief,but many with your signature.Like your last.By the way that is not comment,sooner baiting

Saying that "spinesdeath" would fit better kind of has the same meaning... So I wasn't the one who started the death notes.
Besides, I think you are taking that a bit too seriously -.-

By the way, in this mapthread Grief hasn't commented on the map at all so far, but only attacked nightmarjoo, crackling and me. Without us giving him a reason to, that is.
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no he never attacked nor of us he discussed with us and pointed out his oppinion.

i can give you the two banners in the down the projekt and anything ,and like i sead before a mounth "i'm but i'am learning !" i watched 100 200 pictures of maps and looked how to make deco and mineral positioning and then try to make something and this is the result!! MAP IS MINE !!
modified by LasTCursE

Why you added that logo to picture?
And what is limyu?
modified by SiaBBo

a clan.

With a player that childishly calls himself SlayerS_`Boxior`. And that vid where he is called "the emperor" is just respectless, by the way.

BoxioR is my friend ;]

Version 1.3 few bugs fixed :)

You really should start working on the things I listed. Most of them are purely execution issues and definately should be adressed.

i guess wishing someone an heart-attack is good old german welcome tradition!?sry,jbg i know you are german too - perhaps it's regional,idk.and spinesheath,you moron i didn't call you - spinesdeath.i just make a joke that it fits better to you(haven't you notice ^-^) - after someone use it already.get a grip!damn,you have a humor like a prussian mule

So I guess you are not German - Swizerland/Austria?

Seems like exploiting your sentence about the heart attack is really different from exploiting that misspelling. Well of course. After all you judge yourself differently, as always.

I wonder how many people found your comment about "spinesdeath" funny, though. 1 person, including you? Nah, maybe even 2.

By the way, I never said that you called me "spinesdeath", "you moron". So I don't really get why you have to tell me that you didn't. Making ungrounded assumptions yet again?

lol what's with everyone flaming eachother without me, I thought I was the cause of all flame-wars :(

My comment was not necessarily racially concerned. By "unrewarding", I mean you have to work way too hard to get an expo which doesn't help you strategically (outside of give you money). Taking an expo just spreads you out, without guarding you from any particular area. Normally, you are able to either easily take an expansion, or take a harder-to-take/defend expansion which either secures you another expo, or secures an area of the map. For example, in python, you can take the corner expo, which is easy to defend because it's out of the way from your opponent, or you can take a main or nat, with the nat giving you the main, but the main being more defensible. There are pluses and minuses to each expo.
In this map, the distance of each expansion makes it not worth expanding at all.

The more spread an expo layout is, the more zerg friendly it is, grief. Expos far apart is very z>p, and usually (but definitely not always) z>t, but to a lesser degree. Expos far apart is very p>t.

Racial balance though imo is not very important in this map, because the expo layout is so "annoying and unrewarding" as I said earlier. The map imo would play in 1/2 base timing attacks because expoing is so difficult. Otherwise though, the map is z>p, p>t, and z>t. The z>t comes from no real disadvantage for zerg, with advantages in many hills (good for lurkers and defilers), with no real advantage for terran. Also, the middle also makes the map z>p, p>t, and z>t, with the expo layout not only not balancing this, but accentuating it lol.

i want to fight too!
(by the way the map is cool. not good enough to comment balance though :P)
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Why type is "league"?

BoxioR created LimYu League :D that's why :D:D

U should read what it mean if u make it league here.

What the hell is the limyu league?

It's their own. -__-

lol ill put up all my maps in league section too then if thats how it was meant

I think so.

Haha, what's with the picture? ^^

fixed

well well, I guess ill have to bring this back on the map case...

so here:

The map really isnt appealing, simply for the expo layout, and i aint a zerg player for shit..
second off, whats with the deco? you copy pasted alot around, but it still is all squary, just like baekdu (which was an ulgy looking map too)
I guess you could of done that for the style of it, but while at it, the deco you add on top of that simply doesnt fit :*/

sorry but, Blast me as much as you like, i dont even log often here so i prolly wont even notice..

Now, about we talk about other maps?

Also, edit, hes right about all those tank spots, thats really retarded..
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Hey LastCurse. You said you can't make cool deco and copy everything. Well, i opened map and there isn't like anything what was copied. Still this is ur map?

yes it's mine shit ass

there isn't copy/paste here

Why your other maps then have copy/paste?

Cmon. Don't sensor them. -_- So LastCurse, why do you copy paste other maps then and not this?
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fuck your self

So this is not your map.

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